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    April 13, 2010
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one big participant not there today, israel, benjamin netanyahu a no-show, which makes folks wonder. here is glenn beck. >> glenn: welcome to the "glenn beck program." i know we're only one day into looking at the federal budget and seeing what we have to cut. i told you yesterday it was going to be hard work and you'll lose friends because you won't be popular saying we all have to sacrifice here. none of that is going to happen. it's not necessary. i just saw the cover of the "newsweek" magazine and gosh darn it, happy days are here again. look, america is back. the remarkable tale of the economic turn-around. you can read about that and hate on the right. wow! they got it all done. there is literally nothing else we need to do here. i think we just go home and turn out the lights. i'm serious.
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c'mon, guys. we can go now! ♪ ♪ >> glenn: hello, america. welcome to day two, the beginning of the plan. what is the plan? yeah, i just like to hear it from washington, quite honestly. it's all the changes that need to happen to keep america from going broke. these are tough changes but they have to be made. c'mon, please, the dow hit 11,000 this week. the president said we're turning the corner. didn'tp you see all the good news? yeah. yeah. this is amazing propaganda. i've never seen anything like this. from the people who told us we're all socialists now. then when i started saying it, they said, "no, no, no socialist, how dare you. what kind of a racist are you for saying he's a socialist?" now they're on this one. america is back. and in this magazine, it's
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fantastic, because you can also read all about hate and look. can you get this one. fox news they use the example of hate. like who didn't see this coming, if you watch this show. about a month ago, here is father cogland up here. look who they say is just like father cogland. my goodness. is this is the wholly owned subsidiary of the obama corporation? look, the storm is still coming on shore. we're in the eye of a hurricane. there is another wall of this storm and it's going to hit us harder than the first wave. it's going to hurt. it's going to hurt worse because we're being told that everything is okay, when it clearly isn't. i want you to listen very carefully, because everybody is a -- they already do. they take everything i say and take it out of context. short-term, everything is
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going to feel okay. we'll probably go through the summer and election cycle and everything is going to be fine, because the stimulus and everything else they're pumping in the system is adrenaline. do you know that two-thirds of the stimulus we had to pass by friday or we'll all die, two-thirds of the money is still left. i wonder when they're going to start spending that. do you think maybe this summer? it's a trick used by roosevelt in the knew deal. things are going to look good, they're going to look -- probably won't look good, but they'll -- america is back. barring an emergency, most people will think we're okay and on the road to recovery. believe me, long-term, things are not good. do you know why i was fortarp for three days? for three days they said we needed it on monday and by wednesday i said don't do it, it's trick. i was for it for three days because i thought our government, this is when i still believed a little in the government.
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i thought they would use the time to tell you the truth about how bad things were so you can prepare yourself and your family. took me three days to see the lie from the last administration. the lie was we're fine, this will fix it. relax. i'm going to sleep with someone's wife to fix their marriage. what? believe me, the uber wealthy, elite and politicians are batoning down the hatches and they're preparing for transformation. if we're so good, why are we transforming into something else? i want you to look at the numbers. the deficit in the last 18 months, we have had a deficit for the last 18 months. okay? last month, our government spent $218 billion, but we took in only $153 billion. that is $65 billion short. where do we get that money?
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of course, we're good for it. right? i mean, of course, we just take out a loan and cover out, recover the $65 billion from last month. how are we going to pay it back? it's not $65 billion. let me show you the deficit clock here. if you look at the deficit clock, here is the u.s. national debt of $12 trillion. here is unfunded liabilities. $108 trillion in unfunded liabilities. so when somebody comes to you and says, "america is back, 'newsweek' says everything is okay." remember, these are the people who said before the housing crisis we were also fine. example? >> we expect moderate growth going forward. we believe that if the housing sector begins to stabilize, and if some of the inventory corrections that are still going on in manufacturering, begin to be completed, that there is a
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reasonable possibility that we'll see some strengthening of the economy, sometime during the middle of the year. >> glenn: oh, yeah, sure. boom! if you want to live in that world, that's fine. god bless you. i wish i could. i really do. i think you're living in denial, but maybe you're right. if that is the world you are living in, change the channel, man. why are you wasting your time with me? if you are not living in that world you think that guy might be wrong, he was wrong then and might be wrong now, we need to look at how much money we're spending. this is out of control. so, let's start today with medicare and social security. the government said social security would be okay, okay until the year 2037. for medicare, it was 2017. until the real trouble started. wow! is this a surprise to anyone? let me take you in the time tunnel and show you where we started looking and we knew we could find some president
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mentioning it. watch this. >> social security, some of us warned so long, faces disaster. i, myself, have been talking about this problem for almost 30 years. the 1983 began and the system stood in the brink of bankruptcy, double figure of our economic ills. >> to every american out there on social security, to every american supporting that system today and to everyone counting on it when they retire, we made a promise to you and we are going to keep it. >> today, social security is strong. but by 2013, payroll taxes will no longer be sufficient to cover monthly payments. by 2032, the trust fund will be exhausted. and social security will be unable to pay the full benefits older americans have been promised. >> retirement security also depends upon keeping the commitment of social
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security, and we will. we must make social security financially stable and allow personal retirement accounts for younger workers who choose them. >> glenn: not working out. 2037, 2017, 2013. check your calendar. i don't think it's any of those dates yet. yet this year, social security is now in the red. we've known it. ronald reagan said in 1983, "i've been talking about it for 30 years." america, we have a moral responsibili responsibility. this country is unlike any other country on planet earth. if you believe that the founders were devinely inspired, then you've got to believe the rest of it, that this is special land. and we're trustees. this isn't something that we own. these rights we don't even own. they were given to us by god. he wants them for somebody
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else, we're supposed to pass them on. this is a long-standing tradition in america. john winthrop, the puretipureti the settlers' first governor first said about the shining city on the hill. he gave that in 1630. to help prepare people for starting here, he talked to them about how special the land was and we'll be eternally responsible. he said we'll be fine if this happens. the spelling was weird. "to do justly, to love mercy, to walk humbly with our god, for this end we must be knit together in this work as one man. we must entertain each other in brotherly affection. we must delight in each other, make others' conditions our own, rejoice together, mourn together, labor and suffer together. but if our hearts shall turn away, so we shall not obey,
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but we shall be seduced into worshipping other gods, our pleasures, our profits and serve them, it is propounded unto us this day that we shall surely perish out of the good land, whether we pass over this vast sea to possess it; therefore, let us please choose life. cleeve unto him, for he is our life and our prosperity." you see what he is saying? we have to do the tough things. we have to do the right things. we'll be fine. if not, we're in trouble. when i look at these numbers, we are in huge, huge, huge trouble. but you know what? america has been in trouble -- we took on the nazis. we can do it. marcus latrell is in the studio. how many people from the
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taliban did you take on, marcus? at one time. one guy. estimated 200. one guy, 200 taliban. hello! you don't think we can do this? have you ever wondered why we have social security? this isn't an american idea. it first came from germany in the late 1800s. who else was prominent in germany at that time? there was, oh, there was karl marx, i remember him, niche. this is where the progressive idea came from and when they floated across the atlantic, they took america off-source. these guys, they brought us to this kind of thinking. let me show you this. this is what is happening. remember, this is what we've just gone through, the housing crisis. you're sad because you had a small house. we went to the bank. we asked them for money. they gave it to us. with a five-year adjustable rate, 0.3%.
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in five years it will adjust. we all said don't worry, we'll be able to afford it. we had a happy face and a house. what happened? it adjusted and we lost the house. sad face. let's see. remember the scenario. let's see if maybe uncle sam has learned from it. uncle sam. no money. going to the bank of china. they give him a dollar with lots of zeros on it, a three-year adjustable rate and 1.6%. uncle sam happy. what happens when this number is bigger? uncle sam sad. this stuff, our founding fathers would have put us in a woodchiper if they had one. the first half of this century and half of the american existence, there was no entitlement, zero, none.
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our american founders didn't want them. how did america survive without government assistan assistance? i don't know. what did the poor people do? they didn't have to work, did they? yes, they did. but they also had the pour among them. they took care of the poor themselves. through their churches. they took care of their families it wasn't until 1929 and herbert hoover. we finally got our own entitlement program. creation of the federal form board. but hoover was a rookie. when it came to social programs, oh, he was nothing! we have f.d.r. now. he had launched his new deal assault on the constitution. he signed into law the social security act of 1934. this is the actual video of him signing it into law. doesn't he look happy?
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>> this social security measure, give at least some protection to 50 millions of our citizens. >> glenn: stop. 30 million citizens some protection but giving our children nothing. the progressive wave of european social insurance affected america. this is the result of it, right here. this is it. this is european thinking. this is not america. when f.d.r., when f.d.r. signed the social security bill, it wasn't designed to subsidize a curb cushy retireme. i have parents, they're not living high on the hog on social security. a lot of seniors are not jet-setting across the globe. they're barely making it on social security. that's not even what it was for. the name of social security actually is, s.s.i.
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social security insurance. what do you buy insurance for? for a guaranteed payout? you buy it because there might be something that surprises you or unexpected event. your roof might leak. you might fall off a ladder and break your arm. that's what insurance is for. fender bender, car insurance. house burns down. fire insurance. live too long, live too lolong, social security insurance. in 1930, life expectancy for guys was 58. it was 62 for women. when did you get it? if you made it all the way to 65 happy birthday, grandma. you get a check. you weren't expected to reap benefits. life expectancy today is 75 for men, 80 for women.
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who is making up this difference? now too many people rely on count on social security funding thetheir, the rest of their life. their shuffleboard tournaments and even their food for 30 years. the system wasn't designed for that. all the while they designed it, they knew. they were putting a rope around you and now making our seniors slaves to it. but it's not surprising. because that's what politicians do. this is just more of the change that we're getting in america. and the only way to fix it is to tear it up by the roots. we got to get it out of our system. it's just going to be awful. but we have to be self-reliant. we have can't put our seniors out. all the presidents were right. we told you. they lied to you.
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we're going to have to be self-reliant. the people who will suffer the most, the people my age that will have to take care of our parents and have to take care of our children. it's the sandwich generation. i hope you like being meat. ben franklin. ben franklin was an amazing man. he was a great inventor. he was a curious guy. i don't know why he invented things. i don't think it was to get rich or famous. he just had a different kind of thinking. and he wanted to make things that would make life easier and stay safer for people. in the 1800s, the number one cause of death for women was burning to death. source of heat and cooking came from fireplaces. they were dangerous. he created what is known as
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the franklin stove. when approached about a patent for the fireplace's design, franklin turned it down. he said i think people need this. he saw a problem and took care of it himself. he didn't plead for the government to do it. other inventors followed his lead. some of them probably got very rich. helping improving americans' lives. everybody was happy. it was a win-win. little to know government intervention. maximum freedom. franklin was also the guy who started the first public hospital. it was an individual that helped. not the government. look, they were already, they were already -- the only time we lose these guys, they'll always be with us, as long as you keep this spirit. as long as you keep faith, hope, and charity. america's always been the country that tried to make
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life better. not just for the individual, but for other people and other countries, in times of need. anybody who is struggling. it's americans. not usually the government. but american individuals who provide the charity. we lost touch with that. we need to refocus and rediscover who we are. charity begins at home. we devalue our older generation. we have to take care of our own families. we have to be responsible. look, the government is still going to take care of our older generation. it's my generation that i'm going to have to convince my kids, can you take me in? we have to take care of our loved ones. we have to help our neighbors in need. we have to get involved with our churches and our communities. today is two days from tax day. progressives are always pushing for higher taxes. yet, none of them voluntarily
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pay more. the government is the best way to be charitable? i want you to really decide that, because that's really the question that you have to answer, as we move forward, because you go with one plan and it's going to be that the government is the way through charity. and wow! that's great. answer the question: does it make you feel good when you file your income tax? do you have the same feeling you have when you're helping a friend in need or giving a loved one a room until they can get a job. which one touches you more? which one changes you. with the movie "blind side" had been better if sandra bullock pulled along the homeless kid and said, "hey, tell you what, i'm just going to write a bigger check to the i.r.s. this year, kid. good luck!" it's up to us. it's up to us to decide who we are, where we want to go. and what america will be for our children. it starts with each of us. time to refocus.
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we take on social security and medicare next. w
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>> glenn: all rigright. america, here is the problem. entitlements. this is social spending. in 1950, spending on social
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services by the u.s. government was 33.4% of total federal government expenditures and today it's 61.3%. entitlements are causing us to go broke. if you look here, it's a share of total spending. if you look at this here, we have defense, 20% social security, 19%. medicare, 13. medicaid, 8%. this is unsustainable. in less than six years the federal government will be paying out more in social security benefits than the taxes that it takes in to fund it. our social security administration is getting $788 billion in fiscal year 2011. that breaks out to $6,500 per u.s. household. you write a check for that? can you write a check for that? that's what we're doing. now, let's look how to fix this problem. we have a couple of guests with us.
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first of all, chris edwards, the director of tax policy studies at the cato institute and awe for of "downsizing the federal government." he is actually, we've been using his blueprints here just to get us started this week. steven governor, the author of "superfreakonomics" and a guy i respect because he thinks out of the box. i think that is the main thing, is to imagine a world that doesn't look like this one. so chris, let me start with you. where should we even begin on this? >> social security is going bankrupt. young people are right to be concerned that social security won't be there for them when they retire. a couple decades down the road, government won't pay the bill of people retiring. what do we do about that? we have to move to a system of private social security account like two dozen other countries around the world have. that will give individuals control over their own retirement future. >> glenn: here is the problem with that. they'll say 401(k), that's
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private. and, you know, everybody would have lost, you know, half of their retirement and everything else. i mean, everybody is looking for a guarantee. the second thing is that doesn't end it. >> i think there is a lot less market risk than there is government risk. the current system, people are trusting politicians to pay the benefits. frankly, the money isn't there when they retire. over long-term, over a person's working lifetime of 40 years investing in equities and bonds is very safe. the countries that are privatized have high returns on their social security private accounts like chile and australia. >> glenn: i tell you, people who are investing in the market. it just went up yesterday, what is it 11,000? went up yesterday. >> what you said is true about 401(k)s. if you had been investing for let's say eight years, and then the recession happened and the stock market meltdown happen and you sold in the middle of it and you haven't bought back yet, you lost 40,
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50, 60%. >> glenn: but people who are investing -- you're going lose it again. >> you will. >> here is one problem with looking at the economy in the long run. honestly, looking at the government in the long run. every time we look at historic event or stock marketer macro economy, we say when this happened it caused that. we want to put cause and effect together. that's the nature as human beings. but we have a sample set of one. we have one economy we are looking at. we have one history we are looking at. i don't think it's so easy to say. the answers aren't easy, or you wouldn't wrestle with them all week. i don't think the only correct answer is to say the market can't help us out, because as -- >> glenn: i'm not saying that the market can't. i agree with you. >> the stock market, not the free market. >> glenn: yeah, yeah. i agree. that's a better bet from the federal government. we ain't getting anything. i knew that growing up. >> if nothing else, people
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who own the accounts decide what they do with the account. >> just think about the private sector and investment these days. when you invest in the stock market like the s&p 500, you are investing in growth in the whole global warm economy. over a decade, the world economy is going to grow. private accounts will grow. the return again in chile and argentina is very high. >> >> how do you convince people to do this without the emergency? >> what you do with social security give them a voluntary choice. old folks that are retired, you don't touch their benefits at all. young people under 55, off voluntary system. stay in the current system that is going bankrupt and you have to trust politicians and you have no legal right in your investment or put money in private account and invest in fidelity and watch it close and that's the choice we give to young people. >> glenn: back in just a second. @útçñçpqç?p@÷@÷
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>> i'm bret baier in washington with look at the headlines. president obama's nuclear summit is coming to a close and caller for quick international action against new sanctions against iran over the nuclear program. >> sanks aren't a magic wand -- sanctions aren't a magic wand. what sanctions do accomplish is hopefully to change the call cue louk ku can louse of country -- call ku louse for
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country like iran so they see there are bene more cost than benefit of pursuing the nuclear weapons program. >> bret: they agreed to security materials in four years and coming up, a debate where to hold the trials for the con fenced 9/11 -- confessed 9/11 planners. and how to avoid the u.s. going down the same path of greece. that's next at the top of the hour. but now, back to glenn beck. ♪ ♪ >> glenn: this week is the beginning of a plan for america, today, how to cut social security and medicare, beginning idea as laid out by
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chris edwards from cato. and he has for social security, the system is going bankrupt. he has his solutions. private savings. right? more security. what does that mean? >> individuals have more security owning a private account on the current social security system, you have no legal right to benefit and congress can cut the benefits anytime it wants. >> glenn: chile, australia, that's a good example. we should model ourselves after that? >> absolutely. both systems have been in place for a couple of decades. you put up 10% of the money in private accounts. >> glenn: my problem is this goes against everything these guys stood for. this is progressive light. i don't want -- here is my solution. you're 55 to 62, maybe you get 440%. it just made this up on the spot. 62-plus, okay, we'll take care of you. because it's -- you're turning the ship. but if you are below 54, and this includes me, you get nothing. you get nothing.
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we go back to again, this is progressive light but here is the compromise. do it to the life expectancy, just like it was when it started. we slave to the life expectancy. as life expectancy goes up, so does the retirement age. you're a "freakonom"freakonomic. >> i'm ready to retire. i can't but i'd like to. >> glenn: in another 25 years we'd be like retiring when we're 35. >> here is the problem. with all the systems, social security or healthcare, education, we inherit the system systems, right, that evolved over years and years. we like to think they evolve rationally. >> glenn: they didn't. >> they're totally chaotic. the problem is we try to solve the problem rationally by untangling them and we can't. they're baked in a big mess. >> glenn: how is it not reasonable? i called a good friend of mine, john hudson, senior, industrialist and guy who invented the plastic fork and
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spoon and styrofoam cup. he's given america so much. he is a philanthropist now. he pays 150% -- he paid 50% in income tax and gives away his income. he has to pay a higher rate of income tax because in this country, if you give away 100%, they charge you 50% because something must be up. okay? so he's an amazing man. he told me, i called him a couple weeks ago and he said, "glenn, you have a zero base budget. you can't look at this budget. you want to fix this country, you have to go at zero. otherwise you drag all the bones from 30 years that nobody even understands anymore." >> i think that's why exercises like this are really helpful. you are probably not going to solve many problems. >> glenn: you don't think? >> many problems in a week. but i think what is important is people need to learn to think about problems differently. we get so much information and we think tinkering around
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the edges will solve it. i like to take a situation and pro the end you are come -- prothe end you're coming to it new. pretend that neither alcohol and marijuana existed until today. we got to this point without it. how is it distributed and sold? not the way today. we get the systems they inherit because it's the way they are. but to untangle like this one, you need to start by thinking over. >> glenn: is the mutumutually economic destruction on the back side of the chalkboard? it is? flip the chalkboard over. >> this is a risk on live tv. you're flipping a blackboard over. >> glenn: yesterday i talked about this, one way we solved the nuclear holocaust. it was mutually assured destruction. >> right.
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>> glenn: and the idea was that it wasn't just that we would vaporize each other. it's not that. it wasn't that we would vaporize each other but we would tie the economies together. you would have limited war, you wouldn't have world war anymore. i mean we are all going down together. the system will reset. is there a way before you get there to make the case to people, hey, hey, we need to do something dramatic to spit ourselves out of that system, so we will survive. >> i think both of you are getting to the point that all the government programs have changed our behavior. i mean americans don't save, because they have these massive government retirement program as. so i'm with you. phase out social security over the long run and that will give individual americans a huge incentive to save. and if we reform the tax code and make it easier for them to save, that is the direction i'd go. >> glenn: we have to take a break. i want to come back because i want to start there with you,
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stephen. we talked about helmets, football helmets. >> it's very much -- exactly it. >> glenn: it is. this is an amazing fact. we'll be back in a second. @=h
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>> glenn: we're talking about making serious changes to social security and medicare and what will the changes look like for americans? these are the kind of questions that you really need to start thinking about. chris edwards, the director of tax policy studies at the cato institute. and steven dubner, awe for of "superfreakonomics." in a weird parallel universe where i was president, he would be my main advisor. >> i thought i'd get to run the n.f.l. >> glenn: all right. i read "superfreakonomics" and i think it make sense. i don't like it, i don't want to believe that, but it makes total sense, so we should do
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that. unfortunately, nobody in washington thinks that way. we're trying to think today about social security and medicare. we talked before the break about football helmets. we have had this conversation before. football helmets actually cause more injuries. >> more concussions, yeah. we invented a safety measure to stop a certain kind of problem, which were skull fractures. we did pretty well. the new helmets do that well. but what they do is give players so much padding they now use the head as a weapon and cause more injuries to other guys. >> glenn: we know it because of australian football? >> australian rules football and rugby don't use helmet so you can't compare there, but look at the n.f.l. there's a behavior change. when rules are made, behavior changes. we're animals. that's what we do. when you add safety measures or when you add a safety net, it changes behavior. a new paper out today that says people who have insurance, health insurance and people who have the most generous health insurance
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plan are more likely to attain more body mass index. insurance can lead to bese obesity. why? because the problem will be taken care of so your behavior changes. >> glenn: since obama care came in, i can't tell you the number of people who said i have to change my eating habits because i don't want to have to go to the doctor. i don't want to need anything. >> when you have all you can eat healthcare plan, which most do, you consume more. that's the problem. that's what the costs are all about. and they crowd out the sick. >> glenn: how would you take on medicare? >> medicare costs are exploding, the singest biggest financial threat to the nation's future. no doubt about it. why are the costs exploding, because tens of millions of elderly goes to doctors and hospitals and get essentially free service so they demand more and more. the doctors and hospital send the bill to washington. medicare has over a billion bills sent to washington every year and they pour $450 billion on the program.
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it's sort of like a soviet-style top-down washington program shovelling out the money. there's 7,000 different price controls in medicare. and the basic problems, people are demanding too much. so the solution is you go to an individually-based consumer system. someone hits the age of 65, you give them a federal $11,000 voucher. they can go and buy health insurance in the private market if they want that. will help them and encourage them to be a good consumer, like they are good consumers when they buy a new car or any other product. the money has to go to the consumer and empower that person. >> glenn: that is the problem, isn't it, with everything that we -- >> yes. >> glenn: my evidence of this is if doctors are ever writing a prescription, they'll do this. do you have insurance? you say yes. okay, great. or if you say no, they say i'll write this. they make the choice right
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there. >> it's amazing that we think right now is that the problem is there is too little healthcare to go around. it argue, i think you could make a strong argument that the problem really is there is too much healthcare going around and it's going to too few people. right now, american americans o pocket medical spending is 12%. that's all we're paying on the dollar. switzerland as we think of a much more progressive government -- 30%. when you pay for what you get, it changes your behavior. >> glenn: that's why we should have -- first of all, take the employer out of it. >> absolutely. >> glenn: it has to be with you. you have to be the person that says, you have to be informed consumer. i don't know, doc, do i need that? there are times you say i don't know what i'm talking about, fix my leg. you know what i mean? you have to be an informed consumer. also if we would cap that, do that, with making sure you can't sue for everything,
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have some sort of responsibility for anybody who is suing for anything, i think england does this, don't they? >> i don't know. >> think of the drag on economy. people get in what is called a job lock. when you have insurance and off preexisting condition, what does that do to the economy? everything we like about this economy, innovative, noble. that goes away. >> glenn: okay. ba back in just a second.
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>> glenn: back with chris edwards, director of tax policy studies at the cato institute and steven dubner author of "superfreakonomics." thank you for both of you guys being here. i want to talk a little bit about fraud in medicare. it's as high as 20% of the entire budget. that's an outrage. >> it's incredible. medicare, we spend $450 billion a year on, as much as 20% of the money simply goes down the drain. basically, because medicare processes over a billion claims every year for services from hospitals and doctors, all the claims are paid by computer. if you have a laptop and you submit forms to medicare, you can get reimbursement. they might or might not catch you. there was an interesting story last year, covered by "washington post" that the high school drop-out in miami
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submitted over 100,000 claims to medicare and she netted $100 million from the federal program before she was caught. >> that is better than being a tv host. >> glenn: yeah. you'd be on the cover of "forbes." you think out of the box. that's what these people -- bad guys, that's what they do. they think of ways to beat the system. >> that's right. >> glenn: so you think out of the box. we need somebody like you to look at fraud. >> we need someone like the co-author steve levitt who is a genius at taking gigantic pile of data -- here is what you have to do. you have to think like a cheater. look, the government, our government, give them credit where credit is due. our government can be very, very good at law and order. the government has been pretty damn good at anti-terrorism in the last several years. no question. every time we don't hear about it is another mark of success. but they don't employ enough
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people like my coauthor levitt who understands the mind of a cheater. you learn to look at data in a new way. we wrote about it in "superfreakonomics." we wrote about catching cheating teachers. no child left behind. we like that account, make them accountable. but it changed teachers' behaviors. how do you find them? in the data. look for pattern, for instance, a kid will fill in 30 questions and leave ten blank. lo and behold they fill in the last ten and got all the last ten correct. that wasn't the student, that was the teacher. >> glenn: holy cow. >> until you learn to think like a charter, you can't do it. >> glenn: back in a second. final thoughts.
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>> glenn: tomorrow we abolish -- yes, we abolish the department of education. remember, use truth as your anvi